I think you misread Mike's e-mail, to a large degree. I say this
because I'm pretty sure no criticism of Xen was intended, and because when
Mike used the word bite, I believe he was implying that open source wouldn't
bite, not that Xen didn't fit into the category of open source that wouldn't
bite. I can't imagine a better place than a Xen mailing list to look for a
project that makes open source Xen more of a bare metal system, and I think
that was also perhaps what Mike was trying to do with this entire thread,
and I believe his rambling confirms that. Regardless, we'll let him respond
to you, just my two cents.
This isn't exactly a bare metal install for open source Xen, and you
probably already saw it since you have been on the list for a while, but
there is apparently a Debian-based liveCD project that is mentioned in this
[mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas Goirand
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:23
Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Anything come close to esx for xen?
Nice to have your point of view. Let me share mine.
> I wish I could find an ISO of xen that does exactly this
> (what ESX does) but with open source, free xen.
I don't think that Xen and ESX are for the same users or even usage,
simply because ESX aims at "point and click" (which sounds windows like
to me) when the open source Xen is "just" a kernel. You would have to
search for other projects that are aiming at providing a graphical
interface for Xen.
If you can't find such project (or if the products from Citrix wont
match your needs, or you don't like them because they are open source)
then you are free to start a project yourself or fund one of the
It's just not right to criticize the open source Xen, saying that it
doesn't offer the ease of the graphical interface you are using with
ESX, simply because that is absolutely not what the project does or
aims. Another project (existing or not as of writing) USING Xen should.
And you shouldn't do the confusion.
That being said, I do agree that such nice app would be a good thing.
Did you try some of the existing projects like Enomalism or others?
> When I buy commercial, I buy commercial but when I use free open
> source, I want to use free open source that won't bite me at some
> point. I don't get that feeling with vmware or citrix or anyone ...
As I pointed out earlier, it's just not right to say Xen == Citrix. Just
as it's not right either to say Linux == Linus Torvalds. Xen is owned by
all the contributors. There is NOTHING Citrix can do to change this,
they can't take away the license, it's just not legal.
So why do you think that "free open source [will] bite [you] at some
point"? Just use the open source part, and reject anything commercial
that could be added on top, like many (including myself) are doing here.
If you can, contribute to existing projects to enhance them, and you
will be in the spirit.
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