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RE: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool - or "AMD availability" ;

To: jerry@xxxxxxx, xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool - or "AMD availability" ;)
From: Marco <bigfoot29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:25:29 +0200
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You are right. They are said to be on stocks for a couple of days now.
But to tell the truth, at least here they aren't. Yes, there is the FX.
The price alone tells you "hands off!". And yes, there is the 3500+ and
3800+ (single core). But who will use that? If you wanted to habe a
3500+ you could and get the Stepping E's as well. The _interesting_ CPUs
- named the X2 ones for server application use - are not delivered to
the stores before 02.06.06 - what means another week waiting ;)

As for your "no new motherboard" - I would be carefull there...
basically they CAN use their old motherboard. Only changes needed are
the other socket and more data lines to the memory.
So there _could_ be problems.

However, my X2 is already preordered. Can't wait getting my hands on
them testing the HVM-capatibilities (what was the major reason buying
that thing XD )

Regards, Bigfoot29

> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:55:24 +0200
> From: "Petersson, Mats" <Mats.Petersson@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool
> To: "Jerry Amundson" <jerry@xxxxxxx>, xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>[mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>Jerry Amundson
>>Sent: 27 May 2006 16:53
>>To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool
>>
>>On Sat May 27 2006 08:26, Marco wrote:
>>
>>>>I threw together a wiki on HVM along these lines...
>>>>http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Processors
>>>
>>>I have seen that the AMD-CPUs are missing...
>>>You can safely add "All AMD Athlon64 CPUs in a AM2 Socket (Stepping 
>>>F)" to the list. They rare all intend to have Pacifica on board.
>>>
>>>(Note: Athlon64, not Semperons. They are lacking exactly that
>>>feature)
>>
>>I see this information as useful towards a purchase decision. 
>>I'd rather leave it TBD, and only include processors 
>>available for sale currently. 
>>Although the statement above is safe, as a new user I'd find 
>>it misleading as I might believe my current AMD Athlon64 CPU 
>>in a AM2 Socket (Stepping F) to be HVM-capable, only to end 
>>up with "Error: Not an HVM capable platform, we stop creating!"
> 
> 
> They are available for sale now - ok, so your local Fry's or PC World
> may not have any in stock, but they are available to buy from AMD. 
> 
> AMD's press-release:
> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~108605
> ,00.html
> 
> I managed to find at least one web-site that advertise the FX-62
> processor (and several other AM2 processors) for sale, so it appears
> that it is possible to order them from retailers.
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?Edp
> No=2207290&Sku=CP1-AM2-FX62&SRCCODE=CNETFEED&CMP=OTC-CNETFEED
> 
> I have no connection with the Tigerdirect company, it's purely a result
> of googling for FX-62, which is one of the AM2 processors. I have no
> clue whether this is a good, bad or ugly retailer... 
> 
> All Athlon/Opteron/Turion brand products in AM2 sockets should have SVM
> (please don't use Pacifica, as that's the internal code-name, and it is
> under copyright by some other company... The proper terms are "AMD
> Virtualization technology" or "Secure Virtual Machine", the latter
> shortened to SVM.)
> 
> As the processor requires a new motherboard, there's less likelyhood for
> the trouble that some people have had with Intel systems where the
> enabling of VT doesn't work or isn't available...  As far as I know,
> there are no Rev F processors that doesn't have virtualization, aside
> from the Sempron models (which is one of the differentiating factors
> between Sempron and the more expensive models - not sure what else
> besides the obvious cache size differences... Although I can't find any
> list of differences and there's currently no AM2 docuementation on the
> Web-site, besides the simple compare products pages, which don't git
> much details, unfortunately).
> 
> --
> Mats

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