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Re: [PATCH v2] xen: Expose time_offset in struct arch_shared_info


  • To: Tu Dinh <ngoc-tu.dinh@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • From: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@xxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 13:42:14 +0100
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On 20.01.2026 13:12, Tu Dinh wrote:
> On 20/01/2026 11:35, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> On 20.01.2026 10:57, Tu Dinh wrote:
>>> time_offset is currently always added to wc_sec. This means that without
>>> the actual value of time_offset, guests have no way of knowing what's
>>> the actual host clock. Once the guest clock drifts beyond 1 second,
>>> updates to the guest RTC would themselves change time_offset and make it
>>> impossible to resync guest time to host time.
>>
>> Despite my earlier comments this part of the description looks unchanged.
>> I still don't see why host time (or in fact about any host property) should
>> be exposed to guests.
> 
> I've answered this question in a followup reply from November, which 
> I'll reproduce here:

I did read your reply, yet nothing of it appeared here as additional
justification. Plus I fear I don't view any of this a basis to suggest
to expose some host property to guests.

>>> Since there's no way to add more fields to struct shared_info, the
>>> addition has to be done through struct arch_shared_info instead. Add two
>>> fields in arch_shared_info representing time_offset's low and high
>>> 32-bit halves.
>>
>> Again, despite my earlier question, reasoning of why two halves rather than
>> a (signed) 64-bit value isn't supplied here.
> 
> This was also in my last email:
> 
> Both are just for easy consumption of the time offset on 32-bit guests. 

I don't buy this. I should probably have replied to this effect when
you first wrote it. {,u}int64_t is hardly a hurdle anymore there. Nor
would I expect any halfway up-to-date 32-bit guest to manage time as
a 32-bit quantity anymore.

> Unsigned is particularly because these are only parts of an int64_t (and 
> therefore have no signedness themselves) and I prefer to let the 
> conversion happen after reading the two fields.

There may be benefits to this, yes, but imo they want to be spelled out,
rather than left vague.

> (Follow up: Also, the alignment of int64_t differs between GCC and MSVC 
> compilers. Using int64_t here would change the alignment of struct 
> arch_shared_info)

Does it? For which target and in which way? This would, after all, render
other uses of {,u}int64_t in the public headers problematic as well.

Jan



 


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