Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 00/34] put_user_pages(): miscellaneous call sites

[John Hubbard <jhubbard@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 8/2/19 7:52 AM, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Fri 02-08-19 07:24:43, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 02:41:46PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Fri 02-08-19 11:12:44, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Thu 01-08-19 19:19:31, john.hubbard@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > 2) Convert all of the call sites for get_user_pages*(), to
> > > > > invoke put_user_page*(), instead of put_page(). This involves dozens of
> > > > > call sites, and will take some time.
> > > > How do we make sure this is the case and it will remain the case in the
> > > > future? There must be some automagic to enforce/check that. It is simply
> > > > not manageable to do it every now and then because then 3) will simply
> > > > be never safe.
> > > >
> > > > Have you considered coccinele or some other scripted way to do the
> > > > transition? I have no idea how to deal with future changes that would
> > > > break the balance though.
Hi Michal,

Yes, I've thought about it, and coccinelle falls a bit short (it's not smart
enough to know which put_page()'s to convert). However, there is a debug
option planned: a yet-to-be-posted commit [1] uses struct page extensions
(obviously protected by CONFIG_DEBUG_GET_USER_PAGES_REFERENCES) to add
a redundant counter. That allows:

void __put_page(struct page *page)
{
        ...
        /* Someone called put_page() instead of put_user_page() */
        WARN_ON_ONCE(atomic_read(&page_ext->pin_count) > 0);

> > > Yeah, that's why I've been suggesting at LSF/MM that we may need to create
> > > a gup wrapper - say vaddr_pin_pages() - and track which sites dropping
> > > references got converted by using this wrapper instead of gup. The
> > > counterpart would then be more logically named as unpin_page() or whatever
> > > instead of put_user_page().  Sure this is not completely foolproof (you can
> > > create new callsite using vaddr_pin_pages() and then just drop refs using
> > > put_page()) but I suppose it would be a high enough barrier for missed
> > > conversions... Thoughts?
The debug option above is still a bit simplistic in its implementation (and 
maybe
not taking full advantage of the data it has), but I think it's preferable,
because it monitors the "core" and WARNs.

Instead of the wrapper, I'm thinking: documentation and the passage of time,
plus the debug option (perhaps enhanced--probably once I post it someone will
notice opportunities), yes?

> > I think the API we really need is get_user_bvec() / put_user_bvec(),
> > and I know Christoph has been putting some work into that.  That avoids
> > doing refcount operations on hundreds of pages if the page in question is
> > a huge page.  Once people are switched over to that, they won't be tempted
> > to manually call put_page() on the individual constituent pages of a bvec.
> Well, get_user_bvec() is certainly a good API for one class of users but
> just looking at the above series, you'll see there are *many* places that
> just don't work with bvecs at all and you need something for those.
Yes, there are quite a few places that don't involve _bvec, as we can see
right here. So we need something. Andrew asked for a debug option some time
ago, and several people (Dave Hansen, Dan Williams, Jerome) had the idea
of vmap-ing gup pages separately, so you can definitely tell where each
page came from. I'm hoping not to have to go to that level of complexity
though.


[1] "mm/gup: debug tracking of get_user_pages() references" :
https://github.com/johnhubbard/linux/commit/21ff7d6161ec2a14d3f9d17c98abb00cc969d4d6

thanks,
--
John Hubbard
NVIDIA

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