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[Xen-users] Re: [Xen-devel] Xen 4 TSC problems

To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Xen-users] Re: [Xen-devel] Xen 4 TSC problems
From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:01:58 -0800
Cc: xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Keir Fraser <keir@xxxxxxx>, Jan Beulich <JBeulich@xxxxxxxxxx>, Olivier Hanesse <olivier.hanesse@xxxxxxxxx>, Keir Fraser <keir.xen@xxxxxxxxx>, Xen Users <xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Mark Adams <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 02/24/2011 09:43 AM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> Just a wild guess, but this in Olivier's posted output:
> (XEN) Platform timer appears to have unexpectedly wrapped 10 or more times.
> and the fact that a 32-bit HPET wrap is ~300 seconds and, with the
> "10 or more times", 10 * 300 seconds is 3000 seconds, might be a clue
> (or a complete red herring, but I thought it worth mentioning).
> Mark and Olivier, it would be interesting to know if you are
> using the same processor/system.

It definitely seems like some kind of problem on the host system rather
than anything in the guests themselves.  If the platform timer is
misbehaving, then Xen could be completely screwing up the pvclock
calibration which it then passes to guests.

Could it be one of those "platform clock stops in certain power states"


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Keir Fraser [mailto:keir.xen@xxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:52 AM
>> To: Olivier Hanesse; Jan Beulich
>> Cc: Mark Adams; Jeremy Fitzhardinge; xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Xen
>> Users; Dan Magenheimer; Keir Fraser
>> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Xen 4 TSC problems
>> On 24/02/2011 14:20, "Olivier Hanesse" <olivier.hanesse@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>> Both dom0 and domUs are affected by this" jump".
>>> I expect to see something like "TSC marked as reliable, warp = 0".
>>> I got this on newer hardware with same config/distros.
>> It depends on the CPU itself, older CPUs do not have the super-stable
>> TSC
>> features. But that should never cause a massive 3000s time jump.
>>> Is there a way to measure if it is a TSC warp ? to point out a cpu
>> tsc issue ?
>> The TSC warps or out-of-sync issues that we could reasonably expect
>> would be
>> on the order of microseconds. A 3000s warp is something else entirely.
>> Xen
>> is very confused and/or some TSC or platform timer has jumped a long
>> way
>> (indicating a hardware/firmware issue).
>>  -- Keir
>>> 2011/2/24 Jan Beulich <JBeulich@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> On 24.02.11 at 12:57, Olivier Hanesse <olivier.hanesse@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>>> I tried to turn off cstates with max_cstate=0 without success
>> (still "not
>>>>> reliable").
>>>>> With cpuidle=0, I also got :
>>>>> (XEN) TSC has constant rate, deep Cstates possible, so not
>> reliable,
>>>>> warp=3022 (count=1)
>>>> This message by itself isn't telling much I believe.
>>>>> xm info | grep command
>>>>> xen_commandline        : dom0_mem=512M cpuidle=0 loglvl=all
>> guest_loglvl=all
>>>>> dom0_max_vcpus=1 dom0_vcpus_pin console=vga,com1 com1=19200,8n1
>>>>> Keir :
>>>>> Using clocksource=pit :
>>>>> (XEN) Platform timer is 1.193MHz PIT
>>>>> I also got :
>>>>> (XEN) TSC has constant rate, deep Cstates possible, so not
>> reliable,
>>>>> warp=3262 (count=2)
>>>> The question is whether any of this eliminates the time jumps seen
>>>> by your DomU-s (from your past mails I wasn't actually sure whether
>>>> Dom0 also experienced this problem, albeit it would be odd if it
>> didn't).
>>>> Jan
>>>> Jan

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