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Re: [Xen-users] In the process of deciding to virtualize, many uncertain

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Subject: Re: [Xen-users] In the process of deciding to virtualize, many uncertainties
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:06:38 -0400
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Trying to fix the linux-header issue my self, or see what it takes to make
a driver disk for the software USB server. Following the correct procedure:
Down load the DDK iso file from Citrix. To do so you need to register a "My
Citrix account". Did so, and received confirmation e-mail. Great! Let's log
in and download...

Read this:
-----------------------
We're sorry. Access to My Citrix is denied.

Citrix Systems, Inc.?s global trade policy strictly prohibits, as required
under U.S. law, trade with entities in embargoed or sanctioned parties as
applicable.

Following the requisite internal review, we have determined that trade with
your organization is prohibited under U.S. law. Therefore, Citrix Systems
Inc. cannot provide your organization with access to My Citrix.

Please contact a Customer Service representative for further information.

Please note: If you have just created a new account and received this
message, please try to log in again in 6 hours before contacting Customer
Service.
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OK, this is crazy... Who can give me an open download link for
XenServer-5.6.0-source-ddk.iso?

Regards,

Harry

Original Message:
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From: harry@xxxxxxxxxxxx harry@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 05:04:07 -0400
To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Xen-users] In the process of deciding to virtualize,many
uncertainties


OK, here is an update. Just to summarize:

In order to be able to use USB over IP for Linux clients/VMs, it looks like
the only solution available right now is the free software based
USBserver&Client from incentivespro.com. All other suggested hardware based
USB servers like from digi.com and Silex don't support Linux.

True, as Ken said, I could use cups for printing, and mount USB hdd over
samba or nfs, but I am not convinced that a usb card reader (aka
programmer) can be dealth with the same way. I also have my doubts about
using a dvd burner from a VM that is installed on dom0, though nobody has
so far told me that indeed this can be solved. So I am still in the dark
;-).

With focus on having a true USB server for Linux, I have taken a few steps
and have come this far:

- I installed XenServer 5.6.0
- downloaded the USB server software from incentivespro.com
- I ran the installer.sh and got an error that Make was not installed.
- I edited the repository files on the Xenserver, and changed enabled=0 to 1
- ran yum make install, and then Make worked as it should
- I ran the USB server installer and came across a new problem, that
Incentivespro knew was bound to happen. On there web site they say:
--------------------------------------------
If you've got an error during driver compilation, while installing USB
Server and USB Client for Linux, please follow these instructions to
compile a driver manually.

Some USB Server & USB Client components are operating in kernel mode. So,
you need to compile the special driver to install our software product.
Source code of this driver is in
usbserver.tar.gz/usb-server/modules/src/tusbd/ directory

To compile USB Server & USB Client for Linux please use FULL kernel source
codes! If you use header files only, please check the presence of the:

- ~linux-source-directory/drivers/usb/core/hcd.h
- ~linux-source-directory/drivers/usb/core/hub.h

If there are no such files, please copy them from source code package of
your kernel version.
-----------------------------------------------

There are no files in the /usr/src directory, so I must assume that the
linux headers are not default installed on XenServer. Googling learned me
that somebody had the same problem before:

(from http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/20091202.html.gz)
you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)   then tell the installer the
source dir is /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)  instead of /usr/src/linux

How to Build a Kernel Module for XenServer is explained here:
http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX116387

But to be honnest, that is far out of my lead. I never done this before. On
the other side, I have nothing to loose, so maybe I will give it a try. But
my question to the real experts is: If this free software USB server is the
answer to our prayers, then why isn't it a part of the XenServer. It should
be supported one way or another, don't you agree?

But untill this prayer is heard, I would love to get some help, so we can
test this piece of software, and tell the XenServer community that this
realy works. Looking forward to hear from anybody that can help.

Regards,

Harry

Original Message:
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From: harry@xxxxxxxxxxxx harry@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:28:28 -0400
To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Xen-users] In the process of deciding to
virtualize,manyuncertainties


Rudi,

I changed the repository files by enabling all. Now I have no make errors.
Up to the next problem. Something not Xenserver related. I'll figure it
out, and let you know how it goes.

Harry

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rudi Ahlers Rudi@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:52:29 +0200
To: harry@xxxxxxxxxxxx, xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Xen-users] In the process of deciding to
virtualize,manyuncertainties


On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:49 PM, harry@xxxxxxxxxxxx <harry@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> Your suggestion to let dom0 handle the usb hdd and the printer, is only a
> partial solution. My Linux client needs access to the usb card readers.
Are
> you telling me that I can mount these with nfs ?
>
> If not, I would like to look closer to the software solution from
> incentivespro.com. But it looks like I need some help in installing
"make".
> Did some reading on the subject, and find it hard to believe I need to
> download the entire 250 mb dev kit, and go through what I find a
> complicated virtualization routine to get make on the server.
>
> Grateful for any comments, looking forward to hear from you. Thank you for
> your help so far.
>
> Regards,
>
> Harry
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  kcobler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:10:59 -0500
> To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Xen-users] In the process of deciding to
> virtualize,manyuncertainties
>
>
> Quoting "harry@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <harry@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> did some more research after the tip on the USB server. Seems that none
of
>> the hardware solutions support linux VMs.
>>
>> However, I found one link to a free software solution, tested by a linux
>> user, and he claims it works just fine. His story you can find here:
>>
>>
>
http://www.virtualinsanity.com/index.php/2008/11/20/a-slick-usb-over-ip-solu
>> tion-that-i-use-every-day/
>>
>> The software you can find here: http://www.incentivespro.com
>>
>> Of course, I stumbled on my first problem:
>>
>> The installer tells me this:
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> Kernels versions 2.6.25 through 2.6.28.8 have a bug with EHCI USB
>> controllers that leads to large memory leaks with isochronous devices
like
>> Webcams or Sound cards.
>>
>> If you have patched your kernel against this bug - please manually
>> recompile the driver executing 'make USE_EHCI_FIX=n' command. Otherwise
> USB
>> Server will try to automatically walk around this bug (without
guaranties)
>>
>> See http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/13428/ for more information.
>>
>> Please do not worry about this warning if you are not going to use USB
2.0
>> isochronous devices on your system.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>>
>> Xenserver 5.6.0 is running on 2.6.27.42. I basically don't know if this
>> will be an issue for me (I am only using USB HDDs, USB printer and USB
> card
>> readers), so I decided for now just to skip this recompiling message.
> Would
>> be nice though if anybody can tell me if XenServer still has this bug?
>>
>> Second problem is when I continue with the installer I get the error
"make
>> command not found". On the Xenserver site I found information on this
>> topic, where it is said that make is not included.
>>
>> http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?threadID=245559
>>
>> Developer kid needs to be installed. Can somebody tell me if there is
>> another way? Like downloading cmake from the internet and compile it? If
>> not, is there a more detailed description in how to fix this?
>>
>> Would be great if this software would work. The software vendor claims
> that
>> it supports VMware.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>> if the know issues are going to be solved:
>>>
>>> - USB printer in XP VM
>>> - HDD via USB cable visible in XP VM
>>> - Burning DVDs on XP VM
>>>
>>>
>> My solution for USB in a VM environment is USB over IP device.
>>
>>
>
http://www.silexamerica.com/products/usb_device_connectivity/sx-3000gb.html
>>
>> This device allowed me to add a USB hub to support multiple USB
>> devices. Also the device is supported by Windows 2003/XP, etc. I also
>> could have different devices attached to different VMs at the same time.
>>
>
> Since XP is supported by many USB over IP devices, there are solutions
> for those guest OSes.
>
> As for Linux guest OS, I would let dom0 manage the device for the
> Linux guests. Use Samba or NFS to mount the USB HDD to the Linux
> guests. Use CUPS to access USB printer on dom0 inside Linux or XP guest.
>
> Ken Cobler
>
>
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yum install make


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