Kristinn, Ted, Aq,
Let me add a few thoughts.
First off, an OSZoo style selection of filesystem images to be used in Xen
guests would be very welcome. Thanks for taking the initiative with this.
Regarding dom0 support: you're more than welcome to work on a distribution
with enhanced dom0 support. However, you should be aware that existing
distros are taking onboard the task of supporting Xen, making the creation of
a special Xen-based distribution less important. I would suggest you at
least consider looking at the Xen support for you favourite distro and maybe
helping out with that.
Just my $0.02,
Mark
On Sunday 03 April 2005 03:07, Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson wrote:
> Ted, I agree... I think that people are too afraid to go on their own
> with this, afraid to piss someone off. Everybody is afraid of forks
> and forking this and forking that. Haven't seen that happen on
> anything big yet.
>
> Let's take our ideas and make something of them, put them on-line and
> get people to comment and flame. I think that will help the promotion
> of Xen if we were just to make available something so small and easy
> as creating dom0 dists and domU guests.. Just think about how many
> geeks have tried out Xen when fedoraproject.org put up a small HOWTO
> on their wiki.
>
> for the record, I still don't consider putting together images as
> 'development'. I couldn't write bytecode to say 'Hello World' even
> if my life was at stake.
>
> soffi
>
> On Apr 3, 2005 2:02 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Soffi
> >
> > My nose is plugged - I have to breath through my mouth.
> >
> > I'm glad you think such a project is "cool" -- so do I, maybe others,
> > maybe not.
> >
> > Because Xen is in development (with a so called stable version) is all
> > the more reason to promote Xen not a reason to shy away from it. In
> > addition, Xen is part of several related projects like Xenoboot for
> > example and a larger and impressive perspective of networking. Therefore
> > supporting Xen in a way is also supporting the other Cambridge projects
> > aimed at the betterment of networking of which Xen is a part. Anyway, I
> > have complete confidence in the Xen development team. Also, I see no
> > harm to anyone and only help to others in providing this service if it is
> > an acceptable one as far as the development team is concerned. I have
> > not heard from them yet on this issue -- they are probably busy making
> > the greatest product ever.
> >
> > Thanks - Ted
> >
> >
> > Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson wrote:
> >
> > Please Ted, save the marketing speak (FREE, NO CHARGE etc.)
> >
> > Your idea is great, and I honour you... putting together a Dom0 dist
> > would be cool.
> >
> > I´m gonna be focusing on getting domU (guests if you will) working.
> > I'm quite happy with my dom0 setup (imho you don't set up/trash dom0's
> > everyday.. that's what the domU's are for).
> >
> > If you wanna try out a Dom0, install Fedora Core4-test1 or FC3 and
> > pull Xen in from development. I've also preordered SuSE 9.3 because
> > they say they will be packaging Xen functionality there.
> >
> >
> > Also.. keep in mind Ted, that Xen is in development, breathe through your
> > nose.
> >
> > peace and love,
> > soffi
> >
> >
> > On Apr 3, 2005 1:37 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Kristinn
> >
> > This is getting confused.
> >
> > Okay, you were talking about DomU but I sort of thought you would be
> > interested in doing Dom 0. I looked at the site you provided and (forgive
> > me if I got it wrong as I often do) that is nothing to do with Xen. I
> > want to find people -- if there are any -- interested in building an
> > Xen-based (linux [Fedora, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake and the rest]) Dom 0
> > system installations in a way that they can be downloaded or put on DVD
> > as an installation disk -- a kind of distribution if you will. In my
> > opinion this would be a real service I could supply to the Xen community
> > as I know of many people struggling to get Xen working or even afraid to
> > try because of the time involved if problems turn up as they do for many.
> > At least with working models they would be over the Dom 0 threshold and
> > maybe looking at DomU issues. Right? A fully working (all tools based on
> > most recent stable versions) and NO CHARGE service is what I am talking
> > about consistent with Open and Free software development. If there are
> > such people then I would provide the facilities -- FREE. So my previous
> > email still stands and it looks as if you are not interested in
> > participating in such an effort.
> >
> > Thanks -- Ted
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > aq wrote:
> >
> > On Apr 3, 2005 9:30 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Kristinn
> >
> > If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various
> > distributions like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are
> > willing to produce Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them on
> > line???
> >
> > no, that is domU, not dom0
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet of
> > their operation but I don't think their mandate allows them to do this or
> > they don't see doing this directly in line with what they are doing.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think everything is fine. if you ever used QEMU, you must know the
> > site hosting the qemu images (www.freeoszoo.org) ? the situation is
> > same here.
> >
> > regards,
> > aq
> >
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